44. 1978 Duke

Record: 27-7, 8-4 (2nd place)
ACC Tournament: Won
NCAA Tournament: Lost in national final
Final AP Ranking: 7
All-ACC Players: Jim Spanarkel (1st), Mike Gminski (1st), Gene Banks (2nd)
All-Americans: None

Let’s say you were to take a poll among ACC experts of the most memorable, compelling, dramatic, unexpected postseason runs by ACC teams. 1983 NC State is clearly at the top of that list, but who would finish second? My money would be on 1978 Duke.

It’s hard to imagine now, but coming into the 1978 season, Duke was just another program. They hadn’t been to the NCAA Tournament since Vic Bubas’ last Final Four team in 1966. The year before, they finished 2-10 in the ACC. They just weren’t on anybody’s radar coming into the season.

The first big sign that this team was different was a mid-January win over second-ranked Carolina. As the rest of the ACC schedule unfolded, it became clear that this was a very good Duke team, certainly the best since the Bubas era. They went undefeated at home. But there were some ugly losses along the way as well. The Blue Devils finished the regular season at 20-6, 8-4 and ranked 15th in the country. Up until the tournament, they were simply a good team having a good year.

The ACC Tournament broke right for them. #1 seed Carolina and #3 seed NC State lost early, so as it happened, Duke faced the three bottom-seeded teams on their way to the title, beating Wake Forest in the championship game.

That got the Blue Devils up to a number eight national ranking going into the NCAA Tournament. This was the last year of the 32-team tournament, and the last year before the seeding system went into effect. Prior to the seeding system, teams went into predetermined slots in the bracket based on conference finish. To be honest, the Blue Devils were placed into a very weak East region. The main threats were Ivy League champion Penn and Big 10 runner-up Indiana. Duke survived two tense games against Rhode Island and Penn, then dominated Villanova to reach the Final Four.

Suddenly the Blue Devils were starting to look like a team of destiny. In the national semifinal, they faced a Notre Dame team that had been ranked in the Top 10 all season and featured future NBA standouts Kelly Tripucka and Bill Laimbeer. That game was what really cemented the reputation of this team. The big three combined for 71 points on 25-for-43 from the field and 21-for-23 from the line, Gminski and Banks dominated the paint, and the Blue Devils withstood a furious second-half comeback to escape with a four-point win to advance to the national championship game. Unfortunately the fairy tale ended there. Kentucky’s Goose Givens went off, scoring 41 points, and it was too much for Duke to overcome.

Where do they rank among the great teams in ACC history? This team has received a tremendous amount of attention over the years. Part of that is due to John Feinstein’s book Forever’s Team. Part of it may be due to the fact that Spanarkel and Gminski have remained prominent and public figures in college basketball. And part of it, let’s be honest, is the fact that it’s Duke. Because I’ve heard so much about this team over the years, I started out thinking they would be possibly Top 25.

Well, they aren’t. The more I look at this team, the more I think the attention they have received over the years is somewhat out of proportion with their actual accomplishments. Is that unfair? I mean, they did win the ACC Tournament and advance to the national final. But take a step back and look at the actual record. Based on regular season alone, this team would not be one of the 100 best teams in ACC history. They went 8-4 in the ACC and they were ranked 15th in the country going into the ACC Tournament. A good year, to be sure, but hardly special or memorable by ACC standards.

What happened next is they took advantage of an unusually weak set of opponents over the next three weeks. The only good team they beat on their way to the national championship game was #6 Notre Dame.

I know you can only play who’s on the schedule, and I know that just because you’re favored doesn’t mean these games are easy to win, and I know they played an incredible game against Notre Dame to get to the final. I’m just saying, that run isn’t quite as special as I once thought. Contrasted to other teams that made similar runs – 1981 North Carolina, or 2016 North Carolina, or even 2004 Georgia Tech, for Pete’s sake – this team had an easier time of it.

45. 1988 Duke

Record: 28-7, 9-5 (3rd place)
ACC Tournament: Won
NCAA Tournament: Lost in national semfinal
Final AP Ranking: 5
All-ACC Players: Danny Ferry (ACC POY)
All-Americans: Danny Ferry (2nd)

Duke, as everyone knows, went to five consecutive Final Fours in the late 80s / early 90s, culminating with the national championship teams of 1991 and 1992. That run started with this team.

Looking back at those teams, they weren’t as dominant as I remembered. Apart from the 1992 team, none of them was a favorite to reach the Final Four. None was a #1 seed. They were ranked 5th, 9th, 15th, and 6th respectively in the final AP polls.

In light of that, it makes their run that much more impressive. This 1988 team was a good example. They were very good, ranked in the Top 10 all season, but they lost three straight tough road games in late February and wound up third in the ACC standings behind Carolina and NC State. As it happened, those were the very teams that Duke had to face to win the ACC Tournament. The semifinal against NC State, who had swept the regular season matchups, was a nail-biter that came down to some missed free throws in the last few minutes by the Wolfpack and a lob into Charles Shackleford that was mishandled on the last possession.

In the final, the tables were turned in the sense that Duke had swept the Tar Heels in the regular season. The predictable narrative was how hard it is to beat a good team three times (is there any evidence for that, by the way?). It was an ugly, defensive kind of game, as tournament championship games often are, but the Blue Devils held on.

The pivotal moment in the NCAA Tournament was the regional final against Temple. The Owls came into the game with a 32-1 record, ranked #1 in the country, and winners of 18 straight. The Atlantic 10 at the time was what we would think of as a mid-major league. Temple hadn’t played a lot of top teams, but when they had, they fared well: a one-point loss at UNLV, a 12-point win over Villanova, and most impressive of all, a 17-point blowout of North Carolina in Chapel Hill.

Both teams shot poorly in the first half. Duke trailed 31-25 early in the second half, but over the next 12 minutes or so, Temple went on one of the worst scoring droughts you ever saw. Danny Ferry, Kevin Strickland, and Quin Snyder got it going offensively. By the six-minute mark, the Blue Devils led 50-35, and the game was effectively over. Duke dominated the game defensively, harrying All-American freshman Mark Macon into a dismal 6-29 shooting performance.

In the national semifinal, they ran out of steam. They didn’t shoot well, and they had no answer for Danny Manning, who was on his way to one of the all-time great NCAA Tournament performances.

This wasn’t one of those Duke teams like 1999-2002 or 2019 that had a superabundance of talent all over the floor. Yes, Ferry is an all-time great, and Strickland was a good player who probably should have been second-team All-ACC over Jeff Lebo. Beyond that, Robert Brickey was the only other double-figure scorer, and that just barely. But they had quality supporting players in Snyder, John Smith, Phil Henderson, Alaa Abdelnaby, Greg Koubek, and defensive wizard Billy King. And a pretty good coach.

46. 1981 North Carolina

Record: 29-8, 10-4 (2nd place)
ACC Tournament: Won
NCAA Tournament: Lost in national championship
Final AP Ranking: 6
All-ACC Players: Al Wood (1st), James Worthy (2nd)
All-Americans: Al Wood (2nd)

Trivia Question: who are the only coaches to lose more than two NCAA championship games?

Trivia Answer: Mike Krzyzewski, 4; Dean Smith, 3; Roy Williams, 3

Is this one of the 50 greatest ACC teams? They didn’t look like it in the regular season. They won the Great Alaska Shootout and had a huge early season win over Indiana but also lost to Wake Forest in the Big Four Tournament and lost consecutive non-conference games to Minnesota and Kansas just before ACC play started. They swept a very good Maryland team but lost twice to Virginia, dropped another game to Wake Forest, and lost to Duke on Gene Banks‘ Senior Day in overtime. It added up to a 22-7 record and a #12 ranking going into the ACC Tournament. That’s when magic started happening.

After an easy opening round win over NC State, the Tar Heels faced #11 Wake Forest for the fourth time in the semifinals. With 40 seconds left, the Tar Heels had the ball down by one. The ball was deflected into the backcourt and a scramble ensued in which Jimmy Black did everything but put a full nelson on Mike Helms as they battled for it. No foul was called, the Tar Heels recovered the loose ball, and they were able to get an open look for Mike Pepper who hit the game-winner. That set up another one-point win in the final over Maryland, who had blown out top seed Virginia in their semifinal. With the game tied at 54, Maryland turned it over on three straight possessions and the Tar Heels were able to take advantage and grab a lead that they would not relinquish, though the game was not decided the final seconds.

The Tar Heels were sent out West as the #2 seed. It turned out to be a favorable draw as #1 seed Oregon State lost right away. After the Tar Heels survived a tough Sweet 16 game against a Utah team featuring future NBA players Tom Chambers and Danny Vranes – in Salt Lake City no less – they had no trouble with Rolando Blackman and Kansas State in the regional final.

That set up a showdown with a Virginia team that had started 22-0, lost 3 of 5, then seemingly righted the ship with three easy wins to get to the Final Four. The Cavaliers had swept the regular season matchups, but they say it’s hard to beat a good team three times. Al Wood must have thought so. He exploded for 39 points – still the record for a national semifinal – and led the Tar Heels to 13-point win. A national title was not to be – Bob Knight, Isiah Thomas, and Indiana made sure of that – but it was a stirring run.

It wasn’t a deep team. They basically played six guys. Wood, James Worthy, and Sam Perkins were the stars; Jimmy Black, Mike Pepper, and Matt Doherty were the supporting cast. That’s something you notice about Dean Smith teams. There were certain invariants – they got the ball inside, they rebounded, they played unselfishly, they played defense without fouling – but there were other areas where he adapted to what he had. If he had ten good players, he played ten; if he had six good players, he played six. They got very little scoring from their backcourt. They had no true center. Didn’t matter. Dean figured it out.

47. 1999 Maryland

Record: 28-6, 13-3 (2nd place)
ACC Tournament: Lost in semifinals
NCAA Tournament: Lost in Sweet 16
Final AP Ranking: 5
All-ACC Players: Steve Francis (1st), Terence Morris (1st), Laron Profit (3rd)
All-Americans: Steve Francis (2nd)

One of the great teams that nobody remembers. They had a swarming, smothering defense that could overwhelm opponents, as evidenced by their 67-point win over Western Carolina, their 75-point win over North Texas, their 31-point win at Georgia Tech, and their 46-point win over NC State. (If you’re wondering, the ACC record is 84 points by UNC over Manhattan in 1986).

With the important caveat that steals and turnovers did not become official stats until the mid-1970s, this Maryland team is the all-time ACC leader in the relevant categories:

ACC Single-Season All-Time Leaders, Total Steals:

  1. Maryland 1999, 431
  2. Duke 2001, 411
  3. Duke 1991, 362
  4. North Carolina 2005, 362
  5. Duke 1986, 360

ACC Single-Season All-Time Leaders, Steals per Game:

  1. Maryland 1999, 12.7
  2. Clemson 2006, 11.0
  3. Maryland 1996, 10.97
  4. Clemson 1977, 10.9
  5. North Carolina 1977, 10.8

ACC Single-Season All-Time Leaders, Turnovers Forced per Game:

  1. Maryland 1999, 21.6
  2. Clemson 1977, 21.4
  3. Wake Forest 1978, 21.0
  4. Maryland 1994, 20.1
  5. Maryland 1996, 20.0

This was Steve Francis’ only year in the ACC after starring in junior college. He was surrounded by a skilled, athletic roster with a good balance of experience and youth and quickness and size. Senior Terrell Stokes was the other guard opposite Francis. He was a pass-and-play D point guard who allowed Francis to play off the ball at times. Senior Laron Profit was an athletic wing who could score and defend. The frontcourt consisted of senior center Obinna Ekezie and talented sophomore Terence Morris, who was the second-leading scorer and made first-team All-ACC. Their bench consisted of a trio of terrific freshmen in Juan Dixon, Dan Miller, and Lonny Baxter.

The Terps had the misfortune of playing in the same conference as one of the greatest teams of all time, 1999 Duke, and they got spanked both times by the Blue Devils. Other than that, their only regular season losses were at Kentucky and at Wake Forest. They swept North Carolina in the regular season and also notched neutral court wins over #10 UCLA and #5 Stanford.

But they caught a bad break when Ekezie ruptured his Achilles in early February. Baxter moved into the starting lineup and played well, but it definitely hurt their rebounding and depth. They responded well by winning their last six games before the ACC Tournament, where they lost to a North Carolina team that was able to take advantage of the Terps’ weakness inside. They were a candidate for a #1 seed, but wound up with a #2 in the South. After cruising through the first two rounds, their season came to a screeching halt in the Sweet 16. Facing a St. John’s team that featured Ron Artest, Bootsy Thornton, and Erick Barkley, the Terps played a rotten game, scoring a season-low 62 points, shooting 35%, and committing 21 turnovers and 27 fouls.

This was a tremendously disappointing loss for Gary Williams. He had shown the ability to consistently reach the NCAA Tournament – this was their sixth consecutive appearance – but they couldn’t seem to get past the Sweet 16. With the Francis addition, Williams thought this was the team to get over that hump. Francis swore he was coming back, and he probably meant it at the time, but it didn’t happen. He entered the draft and was the second overall pick. That 2000 team would have been something else if he had returned, but it wasn’t to be. On the bright side, Francis’ departure gave Dixon a chance to show what he could do and gain experience that would be valuable for the 2001 Final Four and 2002 national championship teams.

48. 1991 North Carolina

Record: 29-6, 10-4 (2nd place)
ACC Tournament: Won
NCAA Tournament: Lost in Final Four
Final AP Ranking: 4
All-ACC Players: Rick Fox (1st), Pete Chilcutt (3rd)
All-Americans: None

This is a fascinating team. The first thing that strikes you about the roster is the lack of a superstar. Rick Fox was the best player, and he was very good, but there’s no Worthy, no Jordan, no Jamison here. Then there’s just the sheer number of players. They returned five key guys from the year before (Fox, Pete Chilcutt, King Rice, Hubert Davis, George Lynch). They had a monster recruiting class – Eric Montross, Derrick Phelps, Brian Reese, Clifford Rozier, Kevin Salvadori, and Pat Sullivan – many of whom were ready to play as freshmen. Throw in some decent sophomores (Henrik Rodl, Kenny Harris, Matt Wenstrom), and you had 14 guys who were legitimately competing for playing time.

And Dean kept trying stuff, all year long. Nobody started every game, and 13 different players started at least one game. (Challenge: find another college basketball team, anywhere, ever, where 13 different guys started a game during the season.) Scott Cherry, Kenny Harris, and Pat Sullivan each started a game. Nobody started every game. Ultimately there were 10 guys who averaged 9 minutes a game or more: Fox, Chilcutt, Rice, Davis, Lynch, Montross, Phelps, Reese, Rozier, and Rodl. Dean was still playing around with the lineup in the tournament. Montross started the first round game but was supplanted by Lynch in the remaining games. The one guy who didn’t work out was Rozier. The highly touted recruit fell out of the tournament rotation and transferred to Louisville after the season.

They had a lot of skilled players. Fox was versatile and skilled and an underrated defender, Davis was a great shooter, Lynch was the leading rebounder and interior defensive anchor, Chilcutt was sneaky good, Rodl was a deft passer, Phelps was a great perimeter defender. Dean figured out how to put them all in positions to be successful.

A few other observations about this team. One, this was the year that State and Carolina played on back-to-back nights in early February. Their first scheduled game in January had been postponed and preempted by President Bush’s address to the nation announcing the opening of the Gulf War. State won the first game 97-91 behind 37 from Rodney Monroe and 28 from Tom Gugliotta. Carolina won the rematch 92-70.

Another observation is that this was Carolina’s first Final Four since 1982. Since then, they’d had a run of great teams that ultimately didn’t get it done in the NCAAs. What changed? Mostly their luck. After several years where they kept running into other great teams in the bracket, in 1991 everything fell their way. The #2, #4, #5, and #7 seeds in Carolina’s region lost in the first round, and there were other upsets later. As a result, the Tar Heels didn’t have to beat higher than a #9 seed to make the Final Four.

The Final Four was full of compelling storylines. UNC and Kansas, two blueblood programs, the Jayhawks just three years removed from a national championship run under Larry Brown, Roy Williams facing Coach Smith and Carolina for the first time, Smith back in the Final Four after coming up short so many times. The other semifinal was the Duke-UNLV rematch with all that entailed. Then, in the unlikely event that Duke beat UNLV, there was the possibility of a Duke-Carolina final. In the end, Kansas and Duke flipped the script. The Tar Heels couldn’t overcome a dismal shooting performance, and their season was over.

I’m not sure how a team whose best players were Rick Fox and Pete Chilcutt managed to be one of the 50 best teams in ACC history, but I think about it this way. Duke won the national championship, and I don’t see that Duke is very far ahead of this team. Duke did sweep them in the regular season, but the Tar Heels crushed them in the ACC Tournament final and wound up ranked higher in the polls. Duke obviously gets lots of credit for winning it all and beating UNLV, but an ACC title, a #1 seed, a #4 national ranking, and a Final Four run are too much to leave out.

49. 1975 Maryland

Record: 24-5, 10-2 (1st place)
ACC Tournament: Lost in semifinal
NCAA Tournament: Lost in regional final
Final AP Ranking: 5
All-ACC Players: John Lucas (1st), Mo Howard (2nd), Owen Brown (2nd), Brad Davis (2nd)
All-Americans: John Lucas (1st)

The ACC of the mid- to late 1970s. Talk about a meat grinder. From 1974 through 1979, I defy you to find a bad team. There were teams that lost games, mind you; that’s going to happen, because even if everybody is good, somebody has to lose. But there is not a truly bad basketball team anywhere in that six-year span.

Nobody got caught in the gears of the meat grinder more than Lefty Driesell and Maryland. It was a unique confluence of circumstances that conspired to keep them always near the top of the mountain but just below the summit. Their very best years – 1973-1975 – happened to coincide with the years that the greatest player in ACC history was king of the court over in Raleigh. But I’ll save a more complete account of that for later. Let’s look at Maryland’s 1975 team.

Maryland was coming off a year in 1974 where their excellence was exceeded only by their frustration. Try as the might, they could not get over the hump with the Wolfpack, despite being obviously one of the five best teams in the country. To add insult to injury, the ACC received only one bid to the NCAA tournament. So when Thompson, Burleson and Co. once again dashed the Terrapins’ dreams in the ACC Tournament final – the “greatest game ever played” – their season was over. Just like that.

Coming into 1975, it may have seemed that Lefty’s Terps had shot their bolt. Their dynamic frontcourt duo of Len Elmore and Tom McMillen had moved on to the NBA. But they still had John Lucas, and they still had Lefty. It may have been one of his best coaching jobs. Lucas was an All-American. All the returning players – Owen Brown, Mo Howard, Brad Davis, Steve Sheppard, and Tom Roy – got better. And Brad Davis was one of the nation’s best freshmen. I am not certain of this, but I believe that 1975 Maryland and 1989 UNC are the only teams in ACC history for which six players averaged double figures. For the season, they converted on 54.7% of their field goal attempts, behind only 1986 North Carolina (55.9%) and 1980 Maryland (55.1%) in ACC history. It was a beautiful team to watch.

The only blemishes were an early loss to UCLA and consecutive January losses at Clemson and at North Carolina. Both of those losses were avenged in the rematches at Cole Field House. And, most importantly, Maryland finally vanquished DT and the Wolfpack, winning easily at home and surviving a one-point 98-97 game on the road. The Terps finished the season 10-2 in the league and with a two-game lead over North Carolina, Clemson, and NC State, who all finished 8-4.

With only seven teams in the league at the time, the Terps as the top seed got a bye to the semifinals of the ACC Tournament – where NC State was waiting. This time, the Wolfpack jumped out to the early lead. They pushed the lead to 17 in the second half before Thompson had to leave the game with severe cramping. With Superman out, the Terps launched a furious comeback. They used a 16-0 run to take the lead on two Howard free throws with nine seconds left. But Mo Rivers found freshman Kenny Carr for the game-winning bucket with just one second left.

The disappointment must have been unbearable. But Maryland, in a sense, got the last laugh. In part as a result of the injustice of Maryland’s 1974 team being left out, the NCAA had finally relaxed the rules to allow at-large teams into the Tournament. North Carolina received the ACC’s automatic bid after beating NC State in the ACC Tournament final. Maryland was selected as an at-large team. They survived tight games against Creighton and Notre Dame to reach the regional final where they faced #3 Louisville.

It would have been an amazing redemption story for Maryland to reach the Final Four, but Louisville did not cooperate. The Cardinals ran away with a 96-82 victory.

It wasn’t the last good team Lefty had at Maryland, but it was probably the last great one. He never got another chance to play for a Final Four berth. But despite the sense of missed opportunity, there’s nothing to criticize here. They were a great team and deserve to be recognized as such.

50(tie). 1995 North Carolina / 1995 Wake Forest

1995 North Carolina
Record: 28-6, 12-4 (1st place tie)
ACC Tournament: Runner-up
NCAA Tournament: Lost in national semifinal
Final AP Ranking: 4
All-ACC Players: Jerry Stackhouse (1st), Rasheed Wallace (1st), Jeff McInnis (3rd)
All-Americans: Jerry Stackhouse (1st), Rasheed Wallace (2nd)

1995 Wake Forest
Record: 26-6, 12-4 (1st place tie)
ACC Tournament: Champion
NCAA Tournament: Lost in Sweet 16
Final AP Ranking: 3
All-ACC Players: Randolph Childress (1st), Tim Duncan (1st)
All-Americans: Randolph Childress (2nd)

There is a strong argument that 1995 was the best season in the history of the ACC. I’m not going to try to prove that here, but let me at least offer some evidence.

Great teams? Carolina, Wake Forest, Maryland, and Virginia all finished 12-4 in the league, and all four advanced to the Sweet 16, meaning the ACC went 8-0 in the first two rounds. Of the nine teams in the ACC, seven were ranked in the Top 20 at some point during the season. Virginia had a stretch of six straight ACC games in January in which each opponent was ranked in the Top 25. Georgia Tech, a team with Travis Best, James Forrest, Drew Barry, and Matt Harpring, could manage no better than 8-8 in the league.

Great players? First team All-ACC was Joe Smith, Duncan, Stackhouse, Wallace, and Childress. All except Duncan were named first or second-team consensus All-American (Duncan was third team AP). A great player like Travis Best of Georgia Tech couldn’t even crack first team All-ACC.

Great games and memorable moments? How about the Randolph Childress ACC Tournament performance? How about the Duke-Carolina double overtime 102-100 Jeff Capel halfcourt shot Jerry Stackhouse dunk game? How about the Maryland-Carolina ACC Tournament semifinal in which Rasheed Wallace scored 33 to lead the Tar Heels to a 97-92 overtime win?

Compelling storylines? How about the Coach K back injury/Pete Gaudet/Duke finishing in last place storyline? How about the three of the four super sophomores (Wallace, Stackhouse, and Smith) turning pro after the season in what was the first mass exodus of underclass talent in league history?

In ranking the teams, I was tempted to make this a four-way tie and throw in Maryland and Virginia, but if you look closely, I do think Carolina and Wake are one notch higher in the pecking order. But it was impossible to pick between those two. They had essentially the same record and the same ranking; both had two great players; one won the ACC title, while the other advanced to the Final Four.

A few notable things about that Carolina team. First, they were one of the best offensive teams Dean Smith ever had, and that’s saying something. This team shot 55% from two-point range (third in the nation) and 41% from three-point range (fifth in the nation). All five starters averaged in double figures. Second, this team had no bench. Pearce Landry got about 15 minutes per game, Serge Zwikker and Pat Sullivan about 10 each, and that’s it. 83.2% of the scoring came from the starters. Without doing the research, I would conjecture that’s a record for a Dean Smith team.

Wake Forest flew under the radar for much of the season. They weren’t highly regarded before the season because nobody knew how good Duncan was. After an early February loss to Florida State, they stood at 5-4 in the ACC. But they caught fire down the stretch, winning their last seven ACC games including a resounding 79-70 win in the Dean Dome. Adding in the ACC Tournament and the first two games in the NCAAs, they won twelve straight before falling in the Sweet 16 to an outstanding, and probably underseeded, Oklahoma State team led by “Big Country” Bryant Reeves.

ACC Greatest Teams – an Introduction

I’m about 18 months removed from the completion of my ACC 100 Greatest Players series. As I was working on that series, I became interested in the question: what are the greatest teams in ACC history?

This topic doesn’t need much of an introduction, but I do want to say a few things. First, I decided on 50 teams. There’s no magic to that. There have been about 700 teams in league history. 50 teams means we are looking at the top 7% or so. 50 means we have room for all the national championship teams, most of the Final Four teams, most of the 30+ win teams, and a good number of the ACC Tournament champions. The idea is to draw the line such that any team that one might conceive as truly great is included, but a team that was merely good but didn’t do anything genuinely memorable is not. If I erred, it was probably on the side of having too many teams rather than too few.

Secondly, I decided to look at each team-year individually. Sometimes you have great teams – let’s say NC State 1972-73 and 1973-74 – where they have a two- or even a three-year period of excellence that is built around a common core of players. One way to do it would be to consider those groups as one team. Is it possible to draw meaningful distinctions between NC State 1973 and 1974?

Well, as a matter of fact it is, and ultimately I was led to the conclusion that the only fair way to do it is to consider each team-year individually. No team is exactly the same from one year to the next. For example, you know the 1973 and 1974 NC State teams were built around David Thompson, Monte Towe, and Tom Burleson; but the fourth- and fifth-leading scorers on the 1973 team were seniors Rick Holdt and Joe Cafferky. In 1974, Holdt and Cafferky were graduated and replaced by newcomers Phil Spence and Mo Rivers. Not the same team.

You find similar situations with other teams. 1967-1969 North Carolina kind of looks like one team, but when you look at the stars, the ’67 team had Bob Lewis and Larry Miller, the ’68 team had Larry Miller and Charlie Scott, and in ’69 Miller was gone. Not the same team. 1981 Virginia had Jeff Lamp and Lee Raker; 1982 Virginia had Jim Miller and Tim Mullen; 1983 Virginia added Rick Carlisle and subtracted Jeff Jones. Even Duke from 1991 to 1992 – about as close to coming back with the exact same team as I could find – swapped out Greg Koubek for Cherokee Parks.

Unfortunately for me, that approach requires that I draw some very fine distinctions among those team-years. The 1967-1969 North Carolina teams had virtually identical results. How do you distinguish among those teams? I’ve done the best I could.

Finally, a word about how I approached comparing teams from different eras. In short, each team was considered in the context of its own era. In other words, I didn’t try to figure out whether 1957 North Carolina would beat 2015 Duke if they could meet in some basketball fantasy world. My answer is a) no, they wouldn’t and b) who cares? It’s completely irrelevant to how we evaluate 1957 North Carolina. Every team is situated in a particular time and context, and their objective is to beat the teams they are actually playing, not some hypothetical team from 60 years later.

With that, let’s get on to the list.

ACC Football Update 11/20

As we approach the last weekend of the college football regular season, things are becoming clearer. Louisville’s win over Miami clinched the Cardinals’ spot alongside Florida State in the ACC Championship game. Georgia Tech became the ninth ACC team to become bowl-eligible, joining Florida State, Louisville, NC State, Carolina, Clemson, Duke, Boston College, and Miami. NC State and Clemson won to solidify their positions in the upper tier of ACC bowl teams as Duke, BC, and Miami all lost. Syracuse and Virginia Tech failed to get that sixth win but each can still qualify for a bowl game with a win this weekend.

College Football Playoff outlook

Not much changed this past weekend. All of the zero and one-loss teams won. The most significant event was probably the injury to Jordan Travis. I don’t think this will impact how the selection committee views the Seminoles – at least it shouldn’t – but it does potentially affect their prospects for winning their last two games, which is a must if they want to make the CFP.

I am reasonably confident in saying that any undefeated team is going to make it. Right now, there are five: Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, FSU, and Washington. Ohio State and Michigan play on Saturday, so there will be at most four. Some are arguing that a one-loss Georgia, Ohio State, or Michigan would be more deserving than an undefeated FSU or Washington. While that argument is not without merit, ultimately I don’t see the committee leaving out an undefeated conference champion FSU or Washington.

Here is a team-by-team rundown:

  1. Georgia (11-0). The Bulldogs are in with a win over Alabama. They can still make it with a loss if any of the other undefeated teams loses. A fascinating chaos scenario would be if Alabama loses to Auburn but beats Georgia. In this scenario, it’s possible that the SEC would have no one in the playoff although I suspect Georgia would make it.
  2. Ohio State (11-0). Should be safe with a win over Michigan. Could still get in with one loss if FSU or Washington loses.
  3. Michigan (11-0). Should be safe with a win over Ohio State. Could still get in with one loss if FSU or Washington loses.
  4. FSU (11-0). Should be safe with wins over Florida and Louisville. Highly unlikely to get in with a loss.
  5. Washington (11-0). Should be safe with wins over Washington State and in the Pac-12 championship. Highly unlikely to get in with a loss.
  6. Oregon (10-1). It gets interesting here. Obviously they have to beat Oregon State and win the Pac-12 championship. If that happens, does one-loss Oregon get in over the loser of Ohio State-Michigan? I say yes. Also, Alabama beating Georgia is bad for them.
  7. Texas (10-1). Similar situation to Oregon, but I am less certain that the Longhorns would get in over one loss Ohio State/Michigan. If Washington and Oregon both win this weekend, their path gets harder to see.
  8. Alabama (10-1). If they beat Auburn and Georgia, I predict they’re going to jump over the other one-loss teams and be in the playoff.
  9. Louisville (10-1). First, they have to win out. Then they need losses by Washington, Oregon, Texas, and Alabama.

Maximum Chaos Scenario

For the anarchists out there, maximum chaos would be:

  • Oregon wins the Pac-12
  • Texas wins the Big 12
  • Alabama wins the SEC
  • Louisville wins the ACC
  • Iowa beats Ohio St/Michigan winner in the Big Ten championship

In this scenario, all nine teams above would have one loss. None of those individual outcomes is farfetched except for Iowa beating Ohio St/Michigan.

ACC Bowl Game Outlook

What’s interesting here is that the teams have sorted themselves into tiers that align well with the ACC bowl game tiers.

TierTeamsBowls
0Florida State, LouisvilleCFP, Orange
1NC State, UNC, Clemson, Notre DameReliaQuest (formerly Outback), Gator, Holiday, Pop Tarts (formerly Cheez-It)
2Duke, BC, Miami, Georgia Tech, and possibly Virginia Tech and/or SyracusePinstripe, Fenway, Military, Duke’s Mayo, Sun

First I will outline the best guesses for where each team goes within each tier. Then I will describe two scenarios that could result in a team getting bumped down a tier.

Within Tier 1, the ReliaQuest will get the first pick, and it seems likely that they will pick Notre Dame. Clemson seems like a good fit for the Holiday Bowl for several reasons: 1) Carolina went to the Holiday last year; 2) NC State still has a bad taste in its mouth from the 2021 debacle with the cancelled game against UCLA; and 3) a Clemson – Oregon State matchup would have an interesting storyline with DJ Uiagalelei facing his former team. NC State has been to the Gator Bowl fairly recently, so most likely Carolina would go there, which would leave the Pop Tarts Bowl in Orlando for NC State.

Within Tier 2, BC seems like an obvious choice for the Fenway Bowl. The other spots may depend on whether Virginia Tech and Syracuse qualify. Here are my best guesses:

  1. Neither VT nor Syracuse qualifies: Duke goes to Duke’s Mayo, Miami goes to Sun, Ga Tech goes to Military
  2. VT qualifies but Syracuse does not: VT goes to Duke’s Mayo, Miami goes to Sun, Ga Tech goes to Military, Duke goes to Pinstripe
  3. Syracuse qualifies but VT does not: Duke goes to Duke’s Mayo, Miami goes to Sun, Syracuse goes to Military, Ga Tech goes to Pinstripe
  4. Both VT and Syracuse qualify: VT goes to Duke’s Mayo, Miami goes to Sun, Ga Tech goes to Military, Duke goes to Pinstripe, Syracuse goes to some other bowl (Birmingham, or First Responder, or something)

I could be wrong about Virginia Tech grabbing the Duke’s Mayo slot from Duke. It’s a hunch.

Now for the complications. There are two. First, if the ACC champion doesn’t make the CFP, then they wind up in the Orange Bowl. Which means the runner up, unless they are selected as an at-large team for a New Year’s Six Bowl, gets bumped down to Tier 1. The cascading effect of that is that one of the Tier 1 teams would get bumped to Tier 2. Who would it be? I think it depends on the result of this week’s games. If Clemson loses, I think it would be them; if Clemson wins, I think it would be the loser of the State-Carolina game.

The other complication has to do with the ReliaQuest Bowl. It’s complicated, but the ACC gets a spot in the ReliaQuest only if the Big Ten gets a spot in the Orange Bowl opposite the ACC. That Orange Bowl slot can go to an SEC team or a Big Ten team. If the Orange Bowl picks an SEC team, then the Big Ten gets the ReliaQuest slot as a consolation prize. If the Orange Bowl picks a Big Ten team, then the ACC (or Notre Dame) gets the ReliaQuest slot.

Most of the experts are predicting that the Ohio State – Michigan loser will get the Orange Bowl slot, and therefore the ACC will get the ReliaQuest slot. I can think of two things that would mess that up. One, if Alabama beats Georgia, and Georgia doesn’t get into the playoff, then Georgia would probably go to the Orange Bowl. Two, if the Ohio State – Michigan loser gets into the playoff, then they obviously wouldn’t be available for the Orange. In that scenario, the Orange Bowl would likely take Alabama although Penn State and Ole Miss are possibilities as well.

Neither of these complications could happen, or one of them could happen, or both of them could happen. If both happen, then only one of NC State, Carolina, and Clemson would get a Tier 1 bowl slot. My guess is that it would be NC State if they win, Clemson if NC State loses and they win, and Carolina if they win and Clemson loses.

ACC Football Update 11/15

Bowl Eligibility

In: Florida State, Louisville, Carolina, State, Miami, BC, Duke, Clemson

One more win: Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Syracuse

Two more wins: Wake Forest

Out: Pitt, Virginia

ACC Championship Outlook

The first slot is easy – Florida State is in.

The second slot is easy in one sense and hard in another. It’s easy in the sense that it’s highly probable that it will be Louisville – even if they lose to Miami. I’m going to talk at length about the scenarios where it isn’t, but keep in mind that it’s probably going to be Louisville and everything I’m about to say will come to nothing.

Obviously if Louisville beats Miami, they’re in. If they lose, it introduces the possibility of a second place tie with one or more of the two-loss teams: Virginia Tech, NC State, and Carolina. There are four possible tie scenarios:

  1. Louisville – NC State
  2. Louisville – Virginia Tech
  3. Louisville – North Carolina
  4. Louisville – Virginia Tech – North Carolina

Scenarios 1 and 2 are easy. Louisville beat both NC State and Virginia Tech, so they win those scenarios based on head-to-head. NC State has no chance to be in the championship game.

Scenario 3 is trickier, because Louisville and Carolina didn’t play each other. The next tiebreaker is record against common opponents. Unfortunately, that one doesn’t help either; both teams would be 4-2 against their common opponents (Georgia Tech, NC State, Pitt, Duke, Miami, Virginia). After that, they start looking at common opponents individually, starting at the top of the conference standings and descending until they find a common opponent that one team beat and the other didn’t. In this case, when they do that, the first team they will get to is Georgia Tech, whom Louisville beat and Carolina didn’t. So Louisville wins a two-way tie with Carolina.

Then there is Scenario 4. For three-way ties, here are the tiebreakers in order:

TiebreakerHow It Will Apply
Combined head-to-head win percentage among the tied teams if all tied teams are common opponents.Not applicable, Carolina didn’t play VT or Louisville
If all the tied teams are not common opponents, the tied team that defeated each of the other tied teams.Not applicable, none of the teams beat the other two
Win percentage versus all common opponents.Common opponents to all three teams are Pitt, NC State, and Virginia. In this scenario, UNC and VT would be 3-0 while Louisville would be 2-1. I assume this means Louisville is out.
Win percentage versus common opponents based on their order of finish (overall conference win percentage, with ties broken) and proceeding through other common opponents based upon their order of finish.Doesn’t help. UNC and VT both beat all their common opponents.
Combined win percentage of conference opponents.As of this moment:
VT 25-27
Louisville 22-27
UNC 19-31

VT or Louisville could still win this, or could finish tied. Carolina will finish below VT and Louisville, no matter what.

So based on my reading of the tiebreakers, Virginia Tech wins the three-way tie. Which seems odd, considering Louisville beat Virginia Tech head-to-head, but interestingly, that seems to play no role in the three-team tiebreaker. I see no scenario where Carolina makes the ACC championship game, despite what I have been reading on the Internet in various places.

CFP Outlook

CFP Favorites

  • The winner of Ohio St – Michigan will be in. Full stop.
  • The SEC champion will be in, unless Alabama loses to Auburn and then beats Georgia. That would be a bit of a chaos scenario.
  • Florida State and Washington will probably be in if they finish undefeated.

Wildcards and Chaos Scenarios

  • If Georgia loses to Alabama, do they make it over FSU or Washington?
  • Same question for the loser of Ohio State-Michigan?
  • As mentioned above – if Alabama loses to Auburn but beats Georgia, who makes it from the SEC? My guess is, Georgia would make it.

Who is best positioned to benefit if FSU and/or Washington stumble?

  • One loss Georgia, although they might make it anyway
  • Loser of Ohio State – Michigan, although they might make it anyway
  • Oregon, if they win out
  • Texas, if they win out

Does anyone outside the current Top 8 in the CFP rankings (Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, FSU, Washington, Oregon, Texas, Alabama) have a chance to make it? What would have to happen?

The only two I can see are Oregon State and Louisville. Oregon State still plays Washington and Oregon, and if they win both of those, they might play Washington again in the Pac-12 championship. If they sweep those three games, that would be a helluva finish. They would still need some help; probably a Texas loss, an Alabama loss, and a Florida State loss. I think that would be enough.

Louisville… well, if they win out, if Texas and Alabama lose, and if Oregon, Washington, and Oregon State all beat up on each other, then maybe they could be the fourth team after Georgia, Ohio State, and Michigan.

ACC Team By Team

Florida State (10-0, 8-0)

Games Remaining: North Alabama, at Florida

Possible Records: 12-0 (63% chance), 11-1 (37%), 10-2 (effectively 0%)

Bowl Possibilities: They’ll be in the playoff if they go undefeated. If they lose to Florida but beat Louisville, they’ll wind up in the Orange Bowl. If they don’t win the ACC championship, they probably still go to a New Year’s Six bowl as an at large.

Louisville (9-1, 6-1)

Games Remaining: at Miami, Kentucky

Possible Records: 11-1 (37% chance), 10-2 (48%), 9-3 (15%)

Bowl Possibilities: They’re probably headed for the Orange Bowl. A very outside possibility of making the playoff. On the other extreme, if they lose two more games, North Carolina could jump over them for the Orange Bowl slot.

North Carolina (8-2, 4-2)

Games Remaining: at Clemson, at NC State

Possible Records: 10-2 (20%), 9-3 (51%), 8-4 (29%)

Bowl Possibilities: They should get a Tier 1 (Gator, Pop Tarts, or Holiday) if they can get to 9 wins with an outside shot at the ReliaQuest. If they win out and if Louisville loses a game or two, they could make the Orange Bowl. I see a very slim chance, but not zero, that they could make one of the other New Year’s Six bowls as an at large team if they win out, even if they don’t make the Orange Bowl.

NC State (7-3, 4-2)

Games Remaining: at Virginia Tech, UNC

Possible Records: 9-3 (25%), 8-4 (50%), 7-5 (25%)

Bowl Possibilities: I think there is an opening for them to get into the Pop Tarts (formerly Cheez-It) or the Holiday if they can get to 8 wins. ReliaQuest is an outside possibility if they can get to 9. Watch out for Clemson though – if they win their last two, one of the Tier 1 bowls will grab them and bump someone, possibly NC State, to Tier 2.

Virginia Tech (5-5, 4-2)

Games Remaining: NC State, at Virginia

Possible Records: 7-5 (25%), 6-6 (50%), 5-7 (25%)

Bowl Possibilities: If they get to six wins, they could be a good candidate for the Duke’s Mayo Bowl in Charlotte. If they get to seven, which means finishing 6-2 in the ACC, I’m not sure what happens. Could they sneak into the Gator Bowl?

Georgia Tech (5-5, 4-3)

Games Remaining: Syracuse, Georgia

Possible Records: 7-5 (5%), 6-6 (51%), 5-7 (44%)

Bowl Possibilities: They need to beat Syracuse to get to a Tier 2 bowl, probably Military or Pinstripe.

Duke (6-4, 3-3)

Games Remaining: at Virginia, Pitt

Possible Records: 8-4 (43%), 7-5 (45%), 6-6 (12%)

Bowl Possibilities: If they can get to 8 wins, I think they are the next team up for a Tier 1 bowl, probably Holiday, if Clemson stumbles.

Boston College (6-4, 3-3)

Games Remaining: at Pitt, Miami

Possible Records: 8-4 (12%), 7-5 (45%), 6-6 (43%)

Bowl Possibilities: Fenway Bowl would be the logical choice.

Clemson (6-4, 3-4)

Games Remaining: UNC, at South Carolina

Possible Records: 8-4 (40% chance), 7-5 (47%), 6-6 (13%)

Bowl Possibilities: After Notre Dame, they will be the prize. If they get to 8 wins, Tier 1 is a lock, and I could see them going Tier 1 even with 7. If they don’t go to Tier 1, the Duke’s Mayo Bowl in Charlotte would love to have them.

Miami (6-4, 2-4)

Games Remaining: Louisville, at BC

Possible Records: 8-4 (27%), 7-5 (53%), 6-6 (20%)

Bowl Possibilities: Need to get to 8 wins to be in the Tier 1 conversation (Pop Tarts, Holiday, or Gator).  6 or 7 wins could be Sun Bowl.

Pitt (2-8, 1-5)

Games Remaining: BC, at Duke

Possible Records: 4-8 (22%), 3-9 (56%), 2-10 (22%)

Bowl Possibilities: Not this year.

Virginia (2-8, 1-5)

Games Remaining: Duke, Virginia Tech

Possible Records: 4-8 (17%), 3-9 (49%), 2-10 (34%)

Bowl Possibilities: Not this year.

Syracuse (5-5, 1-5)

Games Remaining: at Georgia Tech, Wake

Possible Records: 7-5 (26%), 6-6 (50%), 5-7 (24%)

Bowl Possibilities: If Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse all qualify, there will be one too many teams for the Tier 2 bowls, which means someone will drop to Tier 3 (Gasparilla/Birmingham/First Responder). My money is on the Orange.

Wake Forest (4-6, 1-6)

Games Remaining: at Notre Dame, at Syracuse

Possible Records: 6-6 (5%), 5-7 (47%), 4-8 (48%)

Bowl Possibilities: Doesn’t look good.

Notre Dame (7-3)

Games Remaining: Wake, at Stanford

Possible Records: 9-3 (75%), 8-4 (23%), 7-5 (2%)

Bowl Possibilities: With two relatively easy games remaining, they’re a virtual lock to go to a Tier 1 or ReliaQuest Bowl. If they finish 9-3, they’ll be the first pick of that group.