ACC Football Update 11/20

As we approach the last weekend of the college football regular season, things are becoming clearer. Louisville’s win over Miami clinched the Cardinals’ spot alongside Florida State in the ACC Championship game. Georgia Tech became the ninth ACC team to become bowl-eligible, joining Florida State, Louisville, NC State, Carolina, Clemson, Duke, Boston College, and Miami. NC State and Clemson won to solidify their positions in the upper tier of ACC bowl teams as Duke, BC, and Miami all lost. Syracuse and Virginia Tech failed to get that sixth win but each can still qualify for a bowl game with a win this weekend.

College Football Playoff outlook

Not much changed this past weekend. All of the zero and one-loss teams won. The most significant event was probably the injury to Jordan Travis. I don’t think this will impact how the selection committee views the Seminoles – at least it shouldn’t – but it does potentially affect their prospects for winning their last two games, which is a must if they want to make the CFP.

I am reasonably confident in saying that any undefeated team is going to make it. Right now, there are five: Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, FSU, and Washington. Ohio State and Michigan play on Saturday, so there will be at most four. Some are arguing that a one-loss Georgia, Ohio State, or Michigan would be more deserving than an undefeated FSU or Washington. While that argument is not without merit, ultimately I don’t see the committee leaving out an undefeated conference champion FSU or Washington.

Here is a team-by-team rundown:

  1. Georgia (11-0). The Bulldogs are in with a win over Alabama. They can still make it with a loss if any of the other undefeated teams loses. A fascinating chaos scenario would be if Alabama loses to Auburn but beats Georgia. In this scenario, it’s possible that the SEC would have no one in the playoff although I suspect Georgia would make it.
  2. Ohio State (11-0). Should be safe with a win over Michigan. Could still get in with one loss if FSU or Washington loses.
  3. Michigan (11-0). Should be safe with a win over Ohio State. Could still get in with one loss if FSU or Washington loses.
  4. FSU (11-0). Should be safe with wins over Florida and Louisville. Highly unlikely to get in with a loss.
  5. Washington (11-0). Should be safe with wins over Washington State and in the Pac-12 championship. Highly unlikely to get in with a loss.
  6. Oregon (10-1). It gets interesting here. Obviously they have to beat Oregon State and win the Pac-12 championship. If that happens, does one-loss Oregon get in over the loser of Ohio State-Michigan? I say yes. Also, Alabama beating Georgia is bad for them.
  7. Texas (10-1). Similar situation to Oregon, but I am less certain that the Longhorns would get in over one loss Ohio State/Michigan. If Washington and Oregon both win this weekend, their path gets harder to see.
  8. Alabama (10-1). If they beat Auburn and Georgia, I predict they’re going to jump over the other one-loss teams and be in the playoff.
  9. Louisville (10-1). First, they have to win out. Then they need losses by Washington, Oregon, Texas, and Alabama.

Maximum Chaos Scenario

For the anarchists out there, maximum chaos would be:

  • Oregon wins the Pac-12
  • Texas wins the Big 12
  • Alabama wins the SEC
  • Louisville wins the ACC
  • Iowa beats Ohio St/Michigan winner in the Big Ten championship

In this scenario, all nine teams above would have one loss. None of those individual outcomes is farfetched except for Iowa beating Ohio St/Michigan.

ACC Bowl Game Outlook

What’s interesting here is that the teams have sorted themselves into tiers that align well with the ACC bowl game tiers.

TierTeamsBowls
0Florida State, LouisvilleCFP, Orange
1NC State, UNC, Clemson, Notre DameReliaQuest (formerly Outback), Gator, Holiday, Pop Tarts (formerly Cheez-It)
2Duke, BC, Miami, Georgia Tech, and possibly Virginia Tech and/or SyracusePinstripe, Fenway, Military, Duke’s Mayo, Sun

First I will outline the best guesses for where each team goes within each tier. Then I will describe two scenarios that could result in a team getting bumped down a tier.

Within Tier 1, the ReliaQuest will get the first pick, and it seems likely that they will pick Notre Dame. Clemson seems like a good fit for the Holiday Bowl for several reasons: 1) Carolina went to the Holiday last year; 2) NC State still has a bad taste in its mouth from the 2021 debacle with the cancelled game against UCLA; and 3) a Clemson – Oregon State matchup would have an interesting storyline with DJ Uiagalelei facing his former team. NC State has been to the Gator Bowl fairly recently, so most likely Carolina would go there, which would leave the Pop Tarts Bowl in Orlando for NC State.

Within Tier 2, BC seems like an obvious choice for the Fenway Bowl. The other spots may depend on whether Virginia Tech and Syracuse qualify. Here are my best guesses:

  1. Neither VT nor Syracuse qualifies: Duke goes to Duke’s Mayo, Miami goes to Sun, Ga Tech goes to Military
  2. VT qualifies but Syracuse does not: VT goes to Duke’s Mayo, Miami goes to Sun, Ga Tech goes to Military, Duke goes to Pinstripe
  3. Syracuse qualifies but VT does not: Duke goes to Duke’s Mayo, Miami goes to Sun, Syracuse goes to Military, Ga Tech goes to Pinstripe
  4. Both VT and Syracuse qualify: VT goes to Duke’s Mayo, Miami goes to Sun, Ga Tech goes to Military, Duke goes to Pinstripe, Syracuse goes to some other bowl (Birmingham, or First Responder, or something)

I could be wrong about Virginia Tech grabbing the Duke’s Mayo slot from Duke. It’s a hunch.

Now for the complications. There are two. First, if the ACC champion doesn’t make the CFP, then they wind up in the Orange Bowl. Which means the runner up, unless they are selected as an at-large team for a New Year’s Six Bowl, gets bumped down to Tier 1. The cascading effect of that is that one of the Tier 1 teams would get bumped to Tier 2. Who would it be? I think it depends on the result of this week’s games. If Clemson loses, I think it would be them; if Clemson wins, I think it would be the loser of the State-Carolina game.

The other complication has to do with the ReliaQuest Bowl. It’s complicated, but the ACC gets a spot in the ReliaQuest only if the Big Ten gets a spot in the Orange Bowl opposite the ACC. That Orange Bowl slot can go to an SEC team or a Big Ten team. If the Orange Bowl picks an SEC team, then the Big Ten gets the ReliaQuest slot as a consolation prize. If the Orange Bowl picks a Big Ten team, then the ACC (or Notre Dame) gets the ReliaQuest slot.

Most of the experts are predicting that the Ohio State – Michigan loser will get the Orange Bowl slot, and therefore the ACC will get the ReliaQuest slot. I can think of two things that would mess that up. One, if Alabama beats Georgia, and Georgia doesn’t get into the playoff, then Georgia would probably go to the Orange Bowl. Two, if the Ohio State – Michigan loser gets into the playoff, then they obviously wouldn’t be available for the Orange. In that scenario, the Orange Bowl would likely take Alabama although Penn State and Ole Miss are possibilities as well.

Neither of these complications could happen, or one of them could happen, or both of them could happen. If both happen, then only one of NC State, Carolina, and Clemson would get a Tier 1 bowl slot. My guess is that it would be NC State if they win, Clemson if NC State loses and they win, and Carolina if they win and Clemson loses.

ACC Football Update 11/15

Bowl Eligibility

In: Florida State, Louisville, Carolina, State, Miami, BC, Duke, Clemson

One more win: Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Syracuse

Two more wins: Wake Forest

Out: Pitt, Virginia

ACC Championship Outlook

The first slot is easy – Florida State is in.

The second slot is easy in one sense and hard in another. It’s easy in the sense that it’s highly probable that it will be Louisville – even if they lose to Miami. I’m going to talk at length about the scenarios where it isn’t, but keep in mind that it’s probably going to be Louisville and everything I’m about to say will come to nothing.

Obviously if Louisville beats Miami, they’re in. If they lose, it introduces the possibility of a second place tie with one or more of the two-loss teams: Virginia Tech, NC State, and Carolina. There are four possible tie scenarios:

  1. Louisville – NC State
  2. Louisville – Virginia Tech
  3. Louisville – North Carolina
  4. Louisville – Virginia Tech – North Carolina

Scenarios 1 and 2 are easy. Louisville beat both NC State and Virginia Tech, so they win those scenarios based on head-to-head. NC State has no chance to be in the championship game.

Scenario 3 is trickier, because Louisville and Carolina didn’t play each other. The next tiebreaker is record against common opponents. Unfortunately, that one doesn’t help either; both teams would be 4-2 against their common opponents (Georgia Tech, NC State, Pitt, Duke, Miami, Virginia). After that, they start looking at common opponents individually, starting at the top of the conference standings and descending until they find a common opponent that one team beat and the other didn’t. In this case, when they do that, the first team they will get to is Georgia Tech, whom Louisville beat and Carolina didn’t. So Louisville wins a two-way tie with Carolina.

Then there is Scenario 4. For three-way ties, here are the tiebreakers in order:

TiebreakerHow It Will Apply
Combined head-to-head win percentage among the tied teams if all tied teams are common opponents.Not applicable, Carolina didn’t play VT or Louisville
If all the tied teams are not common opponents, the tied team that defeated each of the other tied teams.Not applicable, none of the teams beat the other two
Win percentage versus all common opponents.Common opponents to all three teams are Pitt, NC State, and Virginia. In this scenario, UNC and VT would be 3-0 while Louisville would be 2-1. I assume this means Louisville is out.
Win percentage versus common opponents based on their order of finish (overall conference win percentage, with ties broken) and proceeding through other common opponents based upon their order of finish.Doesn’t help. UNC and VT both beat all their common opponents.
Combined win percentage of conference opponents.As of this moment:
VT 25-27
Louisville 22-27
UNC 19-31

VT or Louisville could still win this, or could finish tied. Carolina will finish below VT and Louisville, no matter what.

So based on my reading of the tiebreakers, Virginia Tech wins the three-way tie. Which seems odd, considering Louisville beat Virginia Tech head-to-head, but interestingly, that seems to play no role in the three-team tiebreaker. I see no scenario where Carolina makes the ACC championship game, despite what I have been reading on the Internet in various places.

CFP Outlook

CFP Favorites

  • The winner of Ohio St – Michigan will be in. Full stop.
  • The SEC champion will be in, unless Alabama loses to Auburn and then beats Georgia. That would be a bit of a chaos scenario.
  • Florida State and Washington will probably be in if they finish undefeated.

Wildcards and Chaos Scenarios

  • If Georgia loses to Alabama, do they make it over FSU or Washington?
  • Same question for the loser of Ohio State-Michigan?
  • As mentioned above – if Alabama loses to Auburn but beats Georgia, who makes it from the SEC? My guess is, Georgia would make it.

Who is best positioned to benefit if FSU and/or Washington stumble?

  • One loss Georgia, although they might make it anyway
  • Loser of Ohio State – Michigan, although they might make it anyway
  • Oregon, if they win out
  • Texas, if they win out

Does anyone outside the current Top 8 in the CFP rankings (Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, FSU, Washington, Oregon, Texas, Alabama) have a chance to make it? What would have to happen?

The only two I can see are Oregon State and Louisville. Oregon State still plays Washington and Oregon, and if they win both of those, they might play Washington again in the Pac-12 championship. If they sweep those three games, that would be a helluva finish. They would still need some help; probably a Texas loss, an Alabama loss, and a Florida State loss. I think that would be enough.

Louisville… well, if they win out, if Texas and Alabama lose, and if Oregon, Washington, and Oregon State all beat up on each other, then maybe they could be the fourth team after Georgia, Ohio State, and Michigan.

ACC Team By Team

Florida State (10-0, 8-0)

Games Remaining: North Alabama, at Florida

Possible Records: 12-0 (63% chance), 11-1 (37%), 10-2 (effectively 0%)

Bowl Possibilities: They’ll be in the playoff if they go undefeated. If they lose to Florida but beat Louisville, they’ll wind up in the Orange Bowl. If they don’t win the ACC championship, they probably still go to a New Year’s Six bowl as an at large.

Louisville (9-1, 6-1)

Games Remaining: at Miami, Kentucky

Possible Records: 11-1 (37% chance), 10-2 (48%), 9-3 (15%)

Bowl Possibilities: They’re probably headed for the Orange Bowl. A very outside possibility of making the playoff. On the other extreme, if they lose two more games, North Carolina could jump over them for the Orange Bowl slot.

North Carolina (8-2, 4-2)

Games Remaining: at Clemson, at NC State

Possible Records: 10-2 (20%), 9-3 (51%), 8-4 (29%)

Bowl Possibilities: They should get a Tier 1 (Gator, Pop Tarts, or Holiday) if they can get to 9 wins with an outside shot at the ReliaQuest. If they win out and if Louisville loses a game or two, they could make the Orange Bowl. I see a very slim chance, but not zero, that they could make one of the other New Year’s Six bowls as an at large team if they win out, even if they don’t make the Orange Bowl.

NC State (7-3, 4-2)

Games Remaining: at Virginia Tech, UNC

Possible Records: 9-3 (25%), 8-4 (50%), 7-5 (25%)

Bowl Possibilities: I think there is an opening for them to get into the Pop Tarts (formerly Cheez-It) or the Holiday if they can get to 8 wins. ReliaQuest is an outside possibility if they can get to 9. Watch out for Clemson though – if they win their last two, one of the Tier 1 bowls will grab them and bump someone, possibly NC State, to Tier 2.

Virginia Tech (5-5, 4-2)

Games Remaining: NC State, at Virginia

Possible Records: 7-5 (25%), 6-6 (50%), 5-7 (25%)

Bowl Possibilities: If they get to six wins, they could be a good candidate for the Duke’s Mayo Bowl in Charlotte. If they get to seven, which means finishing 6-2 in the ACC, I’m not sure what happens. Could they sneak into the Gator Bowl?

Georgia Tech (5-5, 4-3)

Games Remaining: Syracuse, Georgia

Possible Records: 7-5 (5%), 6-6 (51%), 5-7 (44%)

Bowl Possibilities: They need to beat Syracuse to get to a Tier 2 bowl, probably Military or Pinstripe.

Duke (6-4, 3-3)

Games Remaining: at Virginia, Pitt

Possible Records: 8-4 (43%), 7-5 (45%), 6-6 (12%)

Bowl Possibilities: If they can get to 8 wins, I think they are the next team up for a Tier 1 bowl, probably Holiday, if Clemson stumbles.

Boston College (6-4, 3-3)

Games Remaining: at Pitt, Miami

Possible Records: 8-4 (12%), 7-5 (45%), 6-6 (43%)

Bowl Possibilities: Fenway Bowl would be the logical choice.

Clemson (6-4, 3-4)

Games Remaining: UNC, at South Carolina

Possible Records: 8-4 (40% chance), 7-5 (47%), 6-6 (13%)

Bowl Possibilities: After Notre Dame, they will be the prize. If they get to 8 wins, Tier 1 is a lock, and I could see them going Tier 1 even with 7. If they don’t go to Tier 1, the Duke’s Mayo Bowl in Charlotte would love to have them.

Miami (6-4, 2-4)

Games Remaining: Louisville, at BC

Possible Records: 8-4 (27%), 7-5 (53%), 6-6 (20%)

Bowl Possibilities: Need to get to 8 wins to be in the Tier 1 conversation (Pop Tarts, Holiday, or Gator).  6 or 7 wins could be Sun Bowl.

Pitt (2-8, 1-5)

Games Remaining: BC, at Duke

Possible Records: 4-8 (22%), 3-9 (56%), 2-10 (22%)

Bowl Possibilities: Not this year.

Virginia (2-8, 1-5)

Games Remaining: Duke, Virginia Tech

Possible Records: 4-8 (17%), 3-9 (49%), 2-10 (34%)

Bowl Possibilities: Not this year.

Syracuse (5-5, 1-5)

Games Remaining: at Georgia Tech, Wake

Possible Records: 7-5 (26%), 6-6 (50%), 5-7 (24%)

Bowl Possibilities: If Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse all qualify, there will be one too many teams for the Tier 2 bowls, which means someone will drop to Tier 3 (Gasparilla/Birmingham/First Responder). My money is on the Orange.

Wake Forest (4-6, 1-6)

Games Remaining: at Notre Dame, at Syracuse

Possible Records: 6-6 (5%), 5-7 (47%), 4-8 (48%)

Bowl Possibilities: Doesn’t look good.

Notre Dame (7-3)

Games Remaining: Wake, at Stanford

Possible Records: 9-3 (75%), 8-4 (23%), 7-5 (2%)

Bowl Possibilities: With two relatively easy games remaining, they’re a virtual lock to go to a Tier 1 or ReliaQuest Bowl. If they finish 9-3, they’ll be the first pick of that group.

ACC Football Update 11/9

Standings Overview

Last week was a busy week in the ACC:

  • Florida State clinched a spot in the ACC championship game and took another step towards a spot in the College Football Playoff.
  • Louisville put some distance between themselves and the pack, and they are now the big favorite to face FSU in the ACC championship.
  • Notre Dame fell out of serious consideration for a New Year’s Six bowl.
  • NC State, Duke, and Boston College became bowl-eligible.
  • Clemson and Georgia Tech got big wins and are only one win away from bowl eligibility.
  • Pitt and Virginia’s chances for bowl eligibility evaporated, confirming their slide into 2023 irrelevance.

Let’s start with the ACC championship. I haven’t seen this confirmed anywhere, but it appears to me that Louisville clinches a spot with a win over Virginia. It would still be possible for them to finish in a tie at 6-2 with one of the current 2-loss teams, but the Cardinals have beaten all of those teams except North Carolina, and it appears to me that they would win a tie with the Tar Heels as well. So I think Louisville has all the tiebreakers.

If Louisville loses to Virginia, then the 2-loss teams (Georgia Tech, Duke, UNC, NC State, BC, Virginia Tech) would still be in the hunt with a win.

We know for sure that teams with 4+ ACC losses are already eliminated from contention for the championship. That includes Clemson, Pitt, Virginia, Wake Forest, and Syracuse.

That leaves Miami as the only 3-loss team. I don’t think they are mathematically eliminated yet, but they will be with a loss or a Louisville win.

In terms of bowl eligibility, FSU, Louisville, UNC, Miami, Boston College, Duke, and NC State are there.  Clemson and Georgia Tech need one more win.  Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and Wake Forest need two more wins.  Pitt and Virginia are eliminated. 

Clemson and Georgia Tech play each other this weekend, so the winner will qualify. Georgia Tech still has Syracuse at home, so even if they lose to Clemson they still have a good chance. They had better win one of the next two because they close with Georgia. Virginia Tech is probably 50-50 to get there. Wake and Syracuse still have to play each other, so the winner of that game might make it and the loser probably won’t. I’m holding to my prediction that 10 teams will ultimately become eligible.

ACC Bowl Prospects

In last week’s post, I explained how the ACC’s bowl tie-ins work. I won’t repeat that here. The only update I have is that with their loss to Clemson, Notre Dame is now unlikely to make a New Year’s Six bowl. This means they will steal a slot from an ACC team, and that slot will be one of the Tier 1 bowls or the ReliaQuest (formerly Outback) Bowl. Right now I am betting they go to the ReliaQuest.

That ReliaQuest slot could also go to the Big Ten. In that case, Notre Dame will get one of the Tier 1 bowls (probably Holiday or Pop Tarts) and that would leave only two Tier 1 slots for ACC teams. I’m not sure what would make that scenario more likely, but I have a feeling that Penn State beating Michigan might, so maybe pull for Michigan this weekend.

Team By Team

Florida State (9-0, 7-0)

Games Remaining: Miami, North Alabama, at Florida

Possible Records: 12-0 (53% chance), 11-1 (41%), 10-2 (6%), 9-3 (effectively 0%)

Bowl Possibilities: They’ll be in the playoff if they go undefeated with an outside shot to make it with one loss. 

Louisville (8-1, 5-1)

Games Remaining: Virginia, at Miami, Kentucky

Possible Records: 11-1 (34% chance), 10-2 (46%), 9-3 (18%), 8-4 (2%)

Bowl Possibilities: Probably going to the Orange Bowl. Where they will probably get their tails kicked. They could make the playoff if they win out.

Georgia Tech (5-4, 4-2)

Games Remaining: at Clemson, Syracuse, Georgia

Possible Records: 8-4 (1%), 7-5 (14%), 6-6 (51%), 5-7 (34%)

Bowl Possibilities: They need “only” one more win, but two of the games are really tough. Most likely scenario is a win against Syracuse and a Tier 2 bowl, probably Military or Pinstripe.

North Carolina (7-2, 3-2)

Games Remaining: Duke, at Clemson, at NC State

Possible Records: 10-2 (12%), 9-3 (40%), 8-4 (37%), 7-5 (11%)

Bowl Possibilities: I’m still thinking Gator or Pop Tarts if they can get to 9 wins with an outside shot at the ReliaQuest.  8 wins might be enough for Tier 1, but that would probably depend on other teams like Duke, NC State, and Clemson.

Duke (6-3, 3-2)

Games Remaining: at UNC, at Virginia, Pitt

Possible Records: 9-3 (16%), 8-4 (44%), 7-5 (33%), 6-6 (7%)

Bowl Possibilities: If they can get to 8 wins, I like them for the Holiday Bowl.  If not, Sun Bowl perhaps?

NC State (6-3, 3-2)

Games Remaining: at Wake, at Virginia Tech, UNC

Possible Records: 9-3 (11%), 8-4 (37%), 7-5 (39%), 6-6 (13%)

Bowl Possibilities: With the win over Miami, I think there is an opening for them to get into the Pop Tarts (formerly Cheez-It) if they can get to 8 or 9 wins. Watch out for Clemson though – if they finish strong, one of the Tier 1 bowls will grab them and bump someone, possibly NC State, to Tier 2.

Boston College (6-3, 3-2)

Games Remaining: Virginia Tech, at Pitt, Miami

Possible Records: 9-3 (7%), 8-4 (31%), 7-5 (43%), 6-6 (19%)

Bowl Possibilities: Fenway Bowl would be the logical choice. Probably need to win out to get into the Tier 1 conversation.

Virginia Tech (4-5, 3-2)

Games Remaining: at BC, NC State, at Virginia

Possible Records: 7-5 (12%), 6-6 (36%), 5-7 (39%), 4-8 (13%)

Bowl Possibilities: A lot of work to do.  If they do get to six wins, they could be a good candidate for the Duke’s Mayo Bowl in Charlotte – if they can’t get Clemson.

Miami (6-3, 2-3)

Games Remaining: at FSU, Louisville, at BC

Possible Records: 9-3 (4%), 8-4 (27%), 7-5 (48%), 6-6 (21%)

Bowl Possibilities: Need to get to 8 wins to be in the Tier 1 conversation (Pop Tarts, Holiday, or Gator).  6 or 7 wins could be Sun Bowl.

Clemson (5-4, 2-4)

Games Remaining: Georgia Tech, UNC, at South Carolina

Possible Records: 8-4 (34% chance), 7-5 (45%), 6-6 (19%), 5-7 (2%)

Bowl Possibilities: After Notre Dame, they will be the prize. If they get to 8 wins, Tier 1 is a lock, and I could see them going Tier 1 even with 7. If they don’t go to Tier 1, I predict they’ll go to Charlotte and play in Duke’s Mayo.

Pitt (2-7, 1-4)

Games Remaining: at Syracuse, BC, at Duke

Possible Records: 5-7 (13%), 4-8 (41%), 3-9 (36%), 2-10 (10%)

Bowl Possibilities: Not this year.

Virginia (2-7, 1-4)

Games Remaining: at Louisville, Duke, Virginia Tech

Possible Records: 5-7 (2%), 4-8 (21%), 3-9 (47%), 2-10 (30%)

Bowl Possibilities: Not this year.

Wake Forest (4-5, 1-5)

Games Remaining: NC State, at Notre Dame, at Syracuse

Possible Records: 7-5 (4%), 6-6 (31%), 5-7 (46%), 4-8 (19%)

Bowl Possibilities: They need to beat NC State on Saturday or they probably aren’t going anywhere. If they do qualify, Military or Pinstripe seem like the most likely possibilities.

Syracuse (4-5, 0-5)

Games Remaining: Pitt, at Georgia Tech, Wake

Possible Records: 7-5 (9%), 6-6 (34%), 5-7 (41%), 4-8 (16%)

Bowl Possibilities: They look dead, but the schedule keeps them in it. They would seem to be a fit for the Pinstripe if they can get to six.

Notre Dame (7-3)

Games Remaining: bye week, Wake, at Stanford

Possible Records: 9-3 (75%), 8-4 (23%), 7-5 (2%)

Bowl Possibilities: They’re almost a lock to go to a Tier 1 or ReliaQuest Bowl. If they finish 9-3, they’ll be the first pick of that group.

ACC Football Update 11/2

Standings Overview

With four weeks left in the college football regular season, some things are starting to come into focus.

Florida State will make the College Football Playoff if they don’t lose a game, and they could make it even if they do.

Florida State is going to be in the ACC championship.  They haven’t clinched yet, there are some tiebreaker scenarios where they don’t make it, but it’s a near certainty at this point.

If Louisville beats Virginia Tech this weekend, then the Cardinals have the clear inside track on the second spot.  If the Hokies win, that throws things into a bit of chaos and gives all the two-loss teams hope.

After Louisville, there is tremendous parity.  The gap between third place Virginia Tech and last place Syracuse is not large.

And almost no one has been eliminated from anything yet.  There are too many games left.  There are still scenarios where the four-loss teams – Clemson, Wake Forest, and Syracuse – could finish in a tie for second place.  I don’t know if they could win the tiebreakers and make the ACC Championship, but it’s not completely off the table.  The three- and two-loss teams are still in the hunt for a spot in the championship, but they probably need to win out.

In terms of bowl eligibility, FSU, Louisville, Carolina, and Miami are there.  Boston College, Duke, and NC State are almost there.  Clemson, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, and Georgia Tech have a lot of work to do.  And Pitt and Virginia are almost done.  I’d say the over/under on bowl eligible teams from the ACC right now is 10.

ACC Bowl Prospects

Let’s remind ourselves of the ACC’s bowl tie-ins and how the selections work.  It’s quite complex, and there is some conflicting information on the Internet, but here is what I have pieced together.

The best way to think of it is in tiers:

ACC Champion (“Tier 0”): Orange Bowl

Tier 1: Holiday Bowl, Gator Bowl, Pop Tarts (formerly Cheez-It/Camping World/Russell Athletic/etc.) Bowl

Tier 2: Pinstripe Bowl, Duke’s Mayo Bowl, Fenway Bowl, Military Bowl, Sun Bowl

Tier 3: Gasparilla Bowl, Birmingham Bowl, First Responder Bowl

Think of the tiers as the draft order.  The Tier 1 bowls get together and pick their three; then the Tier 2 bowls get together and pick their five from the teams that are left; then the Tier 3 bowls get the leftovers.  Last year, the only bowl-eligible team left after Tier 2 was Wake Forest, so they went to the Gasparilla.

Within each tier, the decisions about who goes where are opaque and are presumably made by a cadre of conference and bowl officials, based on fan interest, attractiveness of matchup, and how recently a school has been to that particular bowl.

Now where it gets really complicated is, there are three “wild cards” that can affect the order I just laid out.  Two of them take the form of an additional ACC bowl slot that has the effect of pulling everyone up one rung on the ladder.  The third has the opposite effect: it essentially steals a bowl from an ACC team and pushes everyone down a rung.  Let’s go over these potential wild cards.

Wild Card #1: College Football Playoff

If the ACC Champion finishes in the Top 4 of the CFP rankings, they go to the College Football Playoff.  If this happens, the highest-ranked team after the champion goes to the Orange Bowl, and everyone else gets pulled up one rung. This is a strong possibility for Florida State.

Wild Card #2: The ReliaQuest (formerly Outback) Bowl

The ReliaQuest Bowl features an SEC team against either a Big Ten team or an ACC team.  The choice depends on whether the Orange Bowl chooses an SEC team or a Big Ten team.  If they choose the Big Ten, then the ACC gets the Big Ten’s slot in the ReliaQuest Bowl and everyone below gets pulled up one rung.  This arrangement has been in place for a few years, but the ACC has never landed in this bowl.  This year, it seems like there is a decent chance that a one-loss Big Ten team (Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State) will wind up in the Orange Bowl and the ACC will get the ReliaQuest slot.

Wild Card #3: Notre Dame

Notre Dame can be selected instead of an ACC team for the ACC’s Tier 1 and Tier 2 bowl slots (they are not eligible for the Orange Bowl).  The upshot is that if Notre Dame does not make a New Year’s Six bowl, they probably steal a bowl slot from an ACC team and push everyone down one rung.  This year, I think the Irish have a great chance to make the New Year’s Six as a two-loss team.

So if you’re a fan of one of the middle of the pack teams, and you’re hoping to get to a Tier 1 bowl, you should be rooting for:

  • Florida State to win out and make the CFP
  • Notre Dame to win out and make the New Year’s Six
  • The Big Ten to make the Orange Bowl instead of the SEC. It’s very complicated to know exactly what to pull for in order for that to come about.

If all of that were to happen, then Florida State would go to the CFP, the next highest team from the ACC (let’s say Louisville) would go to the Orange, the next best team from the ACC (let’s say Carolina) would go to the ReliaQuest, and the next three teams (let’s say Duke, Miami, and NC State) would go to the Gator, Holiday, and Pop Tarts.

On the other extreme, if none of those three things happens, then the ACC Champ (let’s say FSU) would go to the Orange, Notre Dame would steal one of the Tier 1 bowls, and there would be only two Tier 1 slots left for, say, Louisville and Carolina, and everyone else would be relegated to Tier 2/3.

Team By Team

Florida State (8-0, 4-0)

Games Remaining: at Pitt, Miami, North Alabama, at Florida

Possible Records: 12-0 (37%), 11-1 (45%), 10-2 (16%), 9-3 (2%), 8-4 (effectively 0%)

Bowl Possibilities: They’ll be in the playoff if they go undefeated.  I think they have a decent chance to make the playoff with one loss. 

Louisville (7-1, 4-1)

Games Remaining: Virginia Tech, Virginia, at Miami, Kentucky

Possible Records: 11-1 (23%), 10-2 (42%), 9-3 (27%), 8-4 (7%), 7-5 (1%)

Bowl Possibilities: They have a great shot at the Orange Bowl if Florida State winds up in the CFP.  If they beat Virginia Tech on Saturday, that doesn’t quite clinch a spot in the ACC Championship game, but it gets them close.

Virginia Tech (4-4, 3-1)

Games Remaining: at Louisville, at BC, NC State, at Virginia

Possible Records: 8-4 (3%), 7-5 (19%), 6-6 (38%), 5-7 (31%), 4-8 (9%)

Bowl Possibilities: Of all the teams on this list, the widest range of possibilities.  If they can beat Louisville on Saturday, suddenly they have the inside track to be in the ACC Championship game.  On the other hand, they could easily wind up with a losing record.  A 6- or 7-win Virginia Tech would be attractive for the Duke’s Mayo Bowl in Charlotte.

North Carolina (6-2, 3-2)

Games Remaining: Campbell, Duke, at Clemson, at NC State

Possible Records: 10-2 (12%), 9-3 (38%), 8-4 (37%), 7-5 (12%), 6-6 (1%)

Bowl Possibilities: I’m guessing Gator or Pop Tarts if they can get to 9 wins.  8 might be enough.

Georgia Tech (4-4, 3-2)

Games Remaining: at Virginia, at Clemson, Syracuse, Georgia

Possible Records: 8-4 (<1%), 7-5 (5%), 6-6 (27%), 5-7 (45%), 4-8 (23%)

Bowl Possibilities: I have them as only a 33% chance to become bowl eligible.  If they do make it, they might be a candidate for the Military, or maybe Tier 3.

Duke (5-3, 2-2)

Games Remaining: Wake, at UNC, at Virginia, Pitt

Possible Records: 9-3 (10%), 8-4 (33%), 7-5 (37%), 6-6 (17%), 5-7 (3%)

Bowl Possibilities: A wide range of possibilities.  If they can get to 8 wins, I like them in the Holiday Bowl.  If not, Sun Bowl perhaps?

Miami (6-2, 2-2)

Games Remaining: at NC State, at FSU, Louisville, at BC

Possible Records: 10-2 (3%), 9-3 (18%), 8-4 (38%), 7-5 (32%), 6-6 (9%)

Bowl Possibilities: A very challenging schedule the rest of the way.  Probably not going to win in Tallahassee and the other games are close to toss-ups.  9-3 or even 8-4 Miami would be attractive for one of the Tier 1 bowls (Pop Tarts, Holiday, or Gator).  6 or 7 wins could be Sun Bowl.

NC State (5-3, 2-2)

Games Remaining: Miami, at Wake, at Virginia Tech, UNC

Possible Records: 9-3 (5%), 8-4 (23%), 7-5 (38%), 6-6 (27%), 5-7 (7%)

Bowl Possibilities: Four games left that are close to toss-ups.  They could go just about anywhere.  If I had to bet right now, I’d bet Military or Pinstripe.  Need to get to 8 wins to think about a Tier 1.

Boston College (5-3, 2-2)

Games Remaining: at Syracuse, Virginia Tech, at Pitt, Miami

Possible Records: 9-3 (2%), 8-4 (14%), 7-5 (34%), 6-6 (36%), 5-7 (14%)

Bowl Possibilities: Gotta be the Fenway Bowl, right?

Clemson (4-4, 2-4)

Games Remaining: Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, UNC, at South Carolina

Possible Records: 8-4 (13% chance), 7-5 (38%), 6-6 (35%), 5-7 (13%), 4-8 (1%)

Bowl Possibilities: Their first step is to get bowl-eligible.  If they lose to Notre Dame on Saturday, that is in jeopardy.  They would be very attractive for the Gator at 7-5 or the Duke’s Mayo or Sun at 6-6.

Pitt (2-6, 1-3)

Games Remaining: FSU, at Syracuse, BC, at Duke

Possible Records: 6-6 (3%), 5-7 (20%), 4-8 (40%), 3-9 (29%), 2-10 (7%)

Bowl Possibilities: Probably will not be bowl-eligible.

Virginia (2-6, 1-3)

Games Remaining: Georgia Tech, at Louisville, Duke, Virginia Tech

Possible Records: 6-6 (2%), 5-7 (15%), 4-8 (37%), 3-9 (35%), 2-10 (11%)

Bowl Possibilities: Probably will not be bowl-eligible.

Wake Forest (4-4, 1-4)

Games Remaining: at Duke, NC State, at Notre Dame, at Syracuse

Possible Records: 8-4 (1%), 7-5 (13%), 6-6 (35%), 5-7 (37%), 4-8 (13%)

Bowl Possibilities: A tough remaining schedule.  I don’t like their chances to get to bowl eligibility.  If they do, they could go Military or Pinstripe.

Syracuse (4-4, 0-4)

Games Remaining: BC, Pitt, at Georgia Tech, Wake

Possible Records: 8-4 (7%), 7-5 (27%), 6-6 (38%), 5-7 (23%), 4-8 (5%)

Bowl Possibilities: The wheels appear to be coming off, but the remaining schedule is very favorable.  BC game seems like their last stand if they are going to salvage anything from this season. They are a natural for the Pinstripe Bowl, but they went there last year.  Possibly Military, or could drop to a Tier 3 if there are enough bowl-eligible teams.

Notre Dame (7-2)

Games Remaining: at Clemson, Wake, at Stanford

Possible Records: 10-2 (46%), 9-3 (43%), 8-4 (10%), 7-5 (1%)

Bowl Possibilities: If they can beat Clemson on Saturday, I predict they will wind up in a New Year’s Six bowl as a 2-loss team.  If that doesn’t happen, they will take a spot from an ACC team in the Pop Tarts or Holiday Bowl.

How UNC Can Make the College Football Playoff

The Tar Heels currently sit at number 15 in the CFP rankings. According to fivethirtyeight.com, they have a 6% chance to make the college football playoff. So what has to happen for the Tar Heels to leapfrog 11 teams and get into the top four?

First things first. They have to win out, and that includes the ACC championship over Clemson. Clemson is one of the teams in front of them. So that’s one team passed.

Also, I think just by winning out, the Tar Heels will leapfrog Penn State. I don’t see the committee putting two-loss Penn State in the CFP over one-loss, ACC champion Carolina. That’s two teams passed.

Then there are head-to-head matchups of two teams ahead of UNC where somebody has to lose, and the loser is likely to fall behind the Tar Heels. USC-UCLA, Oregon-Utah, and Alabama-Ole Miss fall into that category. That’s five teams passed. We’ve gotten the Tar Heels up to number 10.

LSU needs to lose a game. If it doesn’t happen against Arkansas or Texas A&M, Georgia will see to it in the SEC championship. That’s six teams passed.

So let’s review where we are. We’ve gotten the Tar Heels up to number 9. The eight teams in front of them are Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Tennessee, TCU, the Oregon-Utah winner, the USC-UCLA winner, and the Alabama-Ole Miss winner. Who else can the Tar Heels leapfrog?

Let’s start with TCU. The Horned Frogs still have to play at Texas, at Baylor, Iowa State at home, and probably the Big 12 Championship. Fivethirtyeight gives TCU only a 10% chance to win out. Now the question is, is one TCU loss enough for UNC to pass them? It’s hard to say, and I’m not sure what the committee would do in that situation. It might depend on which game they lose. If TCU loses one regular season game but still wins the Big 12 Championship, I think they would still be ahead of the Tar Heels. The only safe bet for UNC is for TCU to lose two games. The good news is, with TCU’s remaining schedule, there’s a pretty good chance of that happening. So count TCU as a team the Tar Heels would have a decent chance of passing.

Then there’s the Pac-12. We’ve already noted that two of the four teams ahead of the Tar Heels are guaranteed to lose due to head-to-head matchups. But there are lots more opportunities for Pac-12 teams to lose. USC still has to play Notre Dame. Oregon, in addition to their game with Utah, still has to play Washington and at Oregon State. And then there’s the Pac-12 championship game. According to fivethirtyeight, Oregon has an 80% chance of losing at least one more game, USC 85%, UCLA 84%, and Utah 73%.

Other than all four Pac-12 teams losing, the best case scenario for the Tar Heels would probably be for Utah to win out and then to beat the USC-UCLA winner in the Pac-12 championship. This would mean at least one more loss for Oregon, USC, and UCLA. It’s not certain that two-loss Utah would remain ahead of one-loss UNC in the CFP standings.

The Pac-12 picture is complex, but suffice it to say that there is a good chance that the Tar Heels could pass all four.

Then there is the Alabama-Ole Miss winner. If it’s Ole Miss, they still have two more tough games remaining, at Arkansas and Mississippi State. The Rebels have only a 10% chance to win out according to fivethirtyeight. The other issue is that it’s unlikely that the Alabama-Ole Miss winner will play in the SEC Championship game. Will the committee put an SEC team that didn’t win its division in the playoff over one-loss ACC Champion Carolina? I don’t think so, although a one-loss Ole Miss team vs. one-loss UNC would be a tough call.

So now we’ve come up with plausible scenarios where the Tar Heels leapfrog everyone but Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, and Tennessee. Which of those four teams is leap-able?

Georgia… I don’t see that happening. They would have to lose two games, and they aren’t going to.

Tennessee still has a game at South Carolina. I don’t think they’ll lose, but it’s possible.

That brings us to Ohio State and Michigan. Obviously, they still have to play each other. So the first question is, could Carolina jump over the loser of that game? If it’s Ohio State, I say no. If it’s Michigan… I still don’t think so, unless the Buckeyes blow them out. That would be an interesting committee decision, to decide between a one-loss Big 10 team that didn’t win its division and one-loss ACC champion UNC. My guess is the Big 10 team would get the nod.

So I think the Tar Heels are going to need an upset. They need either Tennessee to lose another game, or for Ohio State or Michigan to lose another game besides their head-to-head matchup. Ohio State has a game at Maryland, Michigan has a game against Illinois, and of course there’s the Big 10 Championship.

How likely is all of this? Well, the good news for Tar Heel fans is that while UNC has but a 6% chance of making the CFP overall, that probability goes up to 51% if they win out. The teams they have to leapfrog have a lot of tough games left and most of them are going to lose one along the way. Based on the scenarios above, I can easily see the Tar Heels getting to number 5 if they win out. But passing one of the current top four is going to require an upset and is a bit of a stretch.

ACC Bowl Outlook 11/6

I’ve never done an ACC football post before, but today seems like a good day to do it. With three weeks to go, the ACC’s bowl prospects are starting to become at least a little bit clearer.

It’s not that easy to find concrete information on how bowl teams are selected. Most fans know that you have to win six games against FCS opponents in order to qualify. Except when you don’t; 5-7 teams can qualify if there aren’t enough six-win teams to fill the docket.

Some conferences have a clear pecking order among the bowls, but the ACC does not. There are Tier One bowls and Tier Two bowls, but within those groupings, it seems that specific selections are made in a smoke-filled room.

But one thing is very clear: the ACC champion goes to the Orange Bowl, unless that team makes the CFP, in which case the next highest-ranked team goes to the Orange Bowl. That has come into play in past years with Clemson making the CFP, but it almost certainly will not this year. It is difficult to imagine Clemson or UNC making the CFP this year. So I’m going to simplify things by saying that the ACC champion will be in the Orange Bowl.

Clemson has clinched the Atlantic division and a spot in the ACC championship game. UNC is very close; one more win would clinch the division, and even if UNC were to lose out, they could still make it with some help.

At this point, the ACC has eight bowl-eligible teams (Clemson, NC State, Syracuse, Louisville, FSU, Wake Forest, UNC, and Duke), with Pitt very likely to be a ninth. And there’s a good chance that will be it; I assess Miami’s chances of becoming bowl-eligible at 29%, Georgia Tech’s at 11%, and Virginia’s at 10%.

So most likely, the ACC will have nine bowl eligible teams. Then there’s Notre Dame. As a quasi-independent, Notre Dame’s relationship with the bowls is complicated, but because the Irish have three losses, it’s a little easier this year. Basically, they will take one of the ACC’s Tier One bowl slots. I guess you can’t completely rule out a 9-3 Notre Dame team getting into a New Year’s Six bowl, but that would require them winning at USC, and even then I’m not sure they’d make it.

So let’s summarize. The ACC will probably have nine bowl-eligible teams, plus Notre Dame. There are eight Tier One bowls, plus the Orange Bowl, and three Tier Two bowls. To complicate matters, the ReliaQuest Bowl (formerly the Outback Bowl) is traditionally a Big Ten – SEC matchup, but if the Orange Bowl selects a Big Ten team instead of an SEC team to play against the ACC team, then the ACC gets that slot in the ReliaQuest Bowl, which becomes a ninth Tier One Bowl. Here is the rundown in list form:

ACC Champion goes to the Orange Bowl (if not selected for CFP)

Tier One Bowls:

  • Cheez-It Bowl – Orlando
  • Duke’s Mayo Bowl – Charlotte
  • Fenway Bowl – Fenway Park
  • Military Bowl – Annapolis, MD
  • New Era Pinstripe Bowl – Yankee Stadium
  • ReliaQuest (formerly Outback) Bowl (only if Big Ten is selected for Orange Bowl) – Tampa
  • Holiday Bowl – San Diego
  • Gator Bowl – Jacksonville
  • Sun Bowl – El Paso, TX

Tier Two Bowls:

  • Gasparilla Bowl – Tampa
  • Birmingham Bowl – Birmingham
  • First Responder Bowl – Dallas

Right now, it seems unlikely that the ACC will get a team into the ReliaQuest Bowl. That probably comes down to Penn State or Illinois being selected for the Orange Bowl over Alabama or Ole Miss. The only chance I see of that happening is if Alabama and Ole Miss both lose another game. Even then I’m not sure. ACC fans should be pulling for this scenario. Best chance would probably be Ole Miss beating Alabama then losing to Mississippi State.

Assuming for the moment that the ACC doesn’t get a spot in the CFP or the ReliaQuest, here’s how I see it playing out, team by team, for the teams that are still relevant.

Clemson

Games Remaining: vs. Louisville, vs. Miami, vs. South Carolina

Possible Records: 11-1 (41% chance), 10-2 (44%), 9-3 (14%), 8-4 (1%)

Bowl Possibilities: As mentioned earlier, it’s hard for me to see Clemson making the CFP, even if they win out. They would need a lot of help. And I give them only about a 25% chance of winning out, including the championship. If the Tigers do win the ACC title, they’ll head to the Orange Bowl. If they lose the title game, it could get interesting. The Cheez-It Bowl would be the obvious choice, but they played there last year. My guess is they would wind up going to the Gator Bowl.

Duke

Games Remaining: vs. Virginia Tech, at Pitt, vs. Wake Forest

Possible Records: 9-3 (8%), 8-4 (34%), 7-5 (43%), 6-6 (15%)

Bowl Possibilities: Duke seems like a good fit for the Pinstripe Bowl (although the Pinstripe may go for Syracuse). The Military and Fenway Bowls are also possibilities. The Blue Devils can still win the Coastal Division if they win out and UNC loses out; I’d give that about a 1% chance of happening.

Florida State

Games Remaining: at Syracuse, Louisiana, Florida

Possible Records: 9-3 (20%), 8-4 (44%), 7-5 (30%), 6-6 (6%)

Bowl Possibilities: Florida State is an attractive team. If they could win out, it’s possible the Gator Bowl would pick them over Notre Dame. Otherwise, they’re probably headed to the Sun Bowl, Holiday Bowl, or Military Bowl. They could be a candidate for Duke’s Mayo Bowl in Charlotte if NC State doesn’t go there for whatever reason.

Georgia Tech

Games Remaining: vs. Miami, at UNC, at Georgia

Possible Records: 7-5 (<1%), 6-6 (11%), 5-7 (47%), 4-8 (43%)

Bowl Possibilities: probably not gonna happen. Tier Two bowl if they sneak in.

Louisville

Games Remaining: at Clemson, vs. NC State, at Kentucky

Possible Records: 9-3 (10%), 8-4 (36%), 7-5 (41%), 6-6 (14%)

Bowl Possibilities: The Cardinals have a similar profile to Florida State and will likely be competing with the Seminoles for the same bowls (Sun, Holiday, Military). They have a tough schedule remaining, however, and will be hard-pressed to do better than 7-5. I’d give them a little higher probability than the Seminoles of dropping to the Military Bowl.

Miami

Games Remaining: at Georgia Tech, at Clemson, vs. Pitt

Possible Records: 7-5 (3%), 6-6 (26%), 5-7 (48%), 4-8 (23%)

Bowl Possibilities: I don’t think it’s going to happen because the ‘Canes are terrible. If they do manage to make it to 6-6, they’ll be relegated to one of the Tier 2 bowls, maybe the Gasparilla.

NC State

Games Remaining: vs. Boston College, at Louisville, at UNC

Possible Records: 10-2 (15%), 9-3 (45%), 8-4 (35%), 7-5 (5%)

Bowl Possibilities: If the Wolfpack could win out, they would probably force their way into either the Gator or Cheez-It Bowl, although they’ve been to the Gator Bowl quite a lot recently. Otherwise, they probably wind up in the Duke’s Mayo Bowl in Charlotte. I don’t see them going back to the Holiday Bowl after last year’s fiasco. The Sun Bowl is a possibility.

North Carolina

Games Remaining: at Wake Forest, vs. Georgia Tech, vs. NC State

Possible Records: 11-1 (18%), 10-2 (44%), 9-3 (32%), 8-4 (6%)

Bowl Possibilities: If UNC wins the ACC, they’ll go to the Orange Bowl. If they lose, they’ll probably go to the Cheez-It Bowl. Things would get interesting if UNC finishes 9-4; in that scenario, they could fall farther to a Sun or Holiday.

Notre Dame

Games Remaining: at Navy, vs. Boston College, at USC

Possible Records: 9-3 (43%), 8-4 (47%), 7-5 (9%), 6-6 (<1%)

Bowl Possibilities: 9-3 Notre Dame would be very attractive, and you wonder if they could even squeeze into a New Year’s six bowl, considering that would involve winning at USC in their last game. It stinks for the ACC, but even 8-4 Notre Dame would likely get a Cheez-It or Gator Bowl slot over an ACC team.

Pitt

Games Remaining: at Virginia, vs. Duke, at Miami

Possible Records: 8-4 (27%), 7-5 (44%), 6-6 (25%), 5-7 (4%)

Bowl Possibilities: Pitt has the easiest remaining schedule of any team listed here. But I’m not sure how much it matters for their bowl prospects. They seem likely to go to one of the northern bowls: Military, Fenway, or Pinstripe. Pitt could also fall to the second tier, especially if they don’t win out.

Syracuse

Games Remaining: vs. Florida State, at Wake Forest, at Boston College

Possible Records: 9-3 (14%), 8-4 (41%), 7-5 (36%), 6-6 (8%)

Bowl Possibilities: The Orange are reeling after losing three straight, and it doesn’t get any easier with FSU and Wake the next two weeks. They seem like a good bet for the Fenway or Pinstripe Bowls. They are one of the teams that could fall to the second tier.

Virginia

Games Remaining: vs. Pitt, vs. Coastal Carolina, at Virginia Tech

Possible Records: 6-6 (10%), 5-7 (35%), 4-8 (40%), 3-9 (15%)

Bowl Possibilities: The Cavaliers have a faint pulse. If they can win out, they’ll wind up in a Tier Two bowl.

Wake Forest

Games Remaining: vs. UNC, vs. Syracuse, at Duke

Possible Records: 9-3 (19%), 8-4 (42%), 7-5 (31%), 6-6 (8%)

Bowl Possibilities: Wake could go in a lot of directions. A good case can be made for winning or losing each of their last three games. A 9-3 or 8-4 Wake team probably winds up in the Holiday or Sun Bowl. A 7-5 or 6-6 Wake team, which would mean a losing record in the ACC, is more likely to fall to Military, Fenway, or even a Tier Two.