2003 Top 50 List: No
Dan Collins List: No
Lorenzo Charles, the player, has been overshadowed by Lorenzo Charles, the dunk. But he was a tremendous player. In the two years following the dunk, he made first team All-ACC, including a unanimous selection as a senior, and he received a lot of support for ACC POY, won by Len Bias. No shame in finishing second to Len Bias.
I always find it interesting to compare All-ACC/POY voting with All-America voting. Lorenzo Charles in 1985 provides a good example of how they can diverge.
Here are the results of All-ACC voting in 1985:
- Len Bias, 246 (unanimous)
- Lorenzo Charles, 246 (unanimous)
- Mark Price, 223
- Johnny Dawkins, 199
- Brad Daugherty, 194
ACC Player of the Year voting went like this:
- Len Bias, 54
- Lorenzo Charles, 28
- Brad Daugherty, 4
- Johnny Dawkins/Kenny Green, 2
- John Salley/Adrian Branch, 1
So it seems clear, doesn’t it, that among ACC sportswriters, Charles was considered a clear number 2 to Len Bias’ number 1?
But in the All-American voting, we had:
- Len Bias: Second Team: AP, USBWA Third Team: NABC
- Johnny Dawkins: First Team: NABC, UPI Second Team: AP
- Mark Price: Second Team: AP, NABC Third Team: UPI
- Lorenzo Charles: nothing
How do you explain that? Charles was a well-known player, obviously from the dunk in 1983, and having made first team All-ACC and third team All-American the season before. The team was successful; NC State tied for the regular season lead in the ACC and made the Elite Eight. Why didn’t he get more attention nationally? My best guess is that there were two factors at play. First, Duke and Georgia Tech were nationally ranked all year in 1985, while NC State wasn’t. The Wolfpack had a great finish and wound up tied for first place, but by the time they made their run, the voters had been hearing about Price and Dawkins all year, and impressions had been formed.
The second reason is, Price and Dawkins benefited from being guards. That year, for whatever reason, all the best players were forwards and centers. Here’s the AP All-America team:
First Team:
Second Team:
Notice that Dawkins and Price are the only guards. The AP voting wasn’t done by position (some other services were), but I have to think that the voters, maybe even subconsciously, felt they had to put a couple of guards up there. There were so many good forwards and centers that Charles couldn’t crack the list.
I’m not sure if I’m arguing that Charles should have been All-America or that Dawkins and Price shouldn’t have. Either way, I think he was the second-best player in the ACC in 1985. He deserves to be on the list.